21303 posts in 2805 days. If you hit metal you will need to reprime with a DTM primer before you use a waterbased paint like Aqualac or One Hit Wonder. these decals actually look pretty descent. Follow these instructions. In some cases, I found cutting the decal out inboard of that built up coating yields a thinner edge, some I just cut right up to the color itself. If it's a painted decal it's likely the absence of a base coat in … Since we use only the best quality vinyl films (the same vinyls used by the automotive OEMs for their pinstriping and graphics), these products are NOT coming off unless you forcefully pick at them. 2. Also, I own a new old stock tank and 2 side covers for my model and they are done the same way. The thick clear coat should cover any bubbles and hide them. I thought about making the tank and wet sanding through the clear coat to the decal and trying to peel it off. It's under the clear, so your options are to sand it out, if it's a vinyl decal under and you don't damage the base coat respray with a good 2K clear, sand 1500->2000->3000, then 3 stage buff back to shine. Can someone tell me the best way to remove them with ruining the underlying paint? Re: painting decals on powder coat most liquid will not hold up to powder temps and if the do you still have the problem of them causing the clear powder to lift off. High Speed Autographics / graphicsunderclear.com is not responsible for any problems during or after the Clear Coat Process. That first coat needs to be really dry or you run the risk of damaging the decal. I made one that called the guitar a "Fred Pretendocaster" and it got some good reactions. Application of decals (and attendant setting solution). The tank I am painting looks to have factory Harley decals on it. Posted by astapleford on Tuesday, September 3, 2013 9:27 AM I've just finished painting and decaling a loco. And as a plus, the stuff spreads out really well. There should be plenty of layers below the decal to sand into before you hit metal, usually e-coat, prime, base and 1 clear at least. Clean area with automotive wax and grease remover. March 9, 2009. 3. 12-28-2013, 06:27 PM. I use a gray scotchbrite pad. The purpose of a clear coat is to accomplish something else, some intended purpose. I've owned it since new, so I know for sure that it came that way from the factory. Install decals as shown in your order's enclosed instructions. John Jolley hobbyist - Port Saint John, Florida. On Clearcoating Decals: Under normal circumstances, it is not necessary to clearcoat our decals if they were installed on a properly cleaned surface. • Trim excess carrier film: Some decal images have an excess of carrier film outside the image area. Moderator of Rider's Gear and Help me Fix it. Trimming it off reduces the chances of it being visible on the model later. This is normal and will disappear after drying. I was able to remove nearly 90% of the sticker in this way, and under is a clean original factory color coat. Then I progress to slightly heavier coats with about half an hour flash time. I'd say after... Decals will be easier to apply on a level even surface (clear coat) than on a dull ruff one (base coat) AND in my opinion will be more authentique too, real race cars arent clear coat over the decals.... bradfordian. I just laid it on with an airbrush straight up, with no thinning, and it went on super easy. If I'm missing a step (or otherwise erring) please feel free to chime in. Just be careful applying them. He needs to try out this Future floor stuff! Apply more clear as needed. Method 2 of 3: Applying Decals to Nails. My plan is to clear coat, decal, then clear again to seal the decals in. The sticker will leave a lip of clearcoat around the edge where you removed it. I'm an automotive painter and I've done hundreds of projects that involved clearing over decals of some sort. Heat resistant decals give our customers many options for applying artwork to their products without concern for heat in the production process or later use. yelo. I am in the process of building the Bistro stools for our daughter and SIL that were in the Wood Magazine about a year or so ago. Do to the many variables of "Custom Painting" we can not guarantee the success of any paint project in anyway using our Graphics Under Clear Motorcycle Graphic Images. Spray about 10-15 coats, letting each dry about 30 minutes in between. J. JimmyR Member. We've had great success with urethane base type clear coats. But on the side of caution, I’ve always asked my decal guy for a few scraps of vinyl and did a test run sample with the base and clear coats I was using at the time, just to make sure that there was no adverse chemical reaction between the vinyl and paint. Anyone ever shoot Clear coat on top of Decals with good results? The chairs will be used in a protected area and not exposed to the weather full time. Repeat until there are no more edges. Your model may have a flat finish, but you can coat decal areas with clear gloss, apply the decals, then return after they are dry and apply a clear coat with the desired sheen. The customer will assume all risks. May 31, 2007 #5 Better still, why not make your own decal? It's been about 48+ hours, and haven't seen any reaction. I need to re-Clear the tank since It is looking shabby, But want to keep the Decals intact. Clear coating in and of itself is nothing magical. 5 or 6 coats should suffice for regular race finish. Be sure to wet sand surface where decals will be installed using a 1,000 grit sand paper. I asked the guy about warrantee on wheels without decals. I called the factory, and they said that the decals had a clear coat on them. Repeat until there are no more edges. He did say however that a friend of his who rides easton wheels removed the decals by sanding though the clear coat. I tend to use 6 - 8 mist coats or more. Remove any residue with WD-40, lighter fluid, glass cleaner, &c (fine steel wool, if needed). 09-23-2012, 06:00 PM. That way you can get the base coat sealed up within 24 hours of application like you are supposed to. I see tables that are made like this. On my 02, I was going along taking off the graphics on the farings, all was great, lovin how it was starting to look. Like you said, he doesn't recommend using clear coat over decals due to conflicting compatability issues. I scuffed the coat with the gray Scotchbrite, then applied my production clear and let it sit. It has been a long time since I have done this and have forgotten what final clear finish to use over the decals and loco overall to seal them in. Your clear coat may also look foggy and transluscent white. If the spot was smaller then a quarter we just spot primed with a UV curable primer from PPG. The industry standard method of putting clear over vinyl would be to lay a base coat, apply the vinyl, clear coat and let cure. Don’t panic! 2) You can also "remove decals under clear coat by heating with a hairdryer until the decal got soft, then picking at the edge, until [you can] peel the sticker off. For clear coating the finished project - apply very fine mist coats to build up a seal coat slowly before going anywhere near a wet coat. Top clear coat of Tamiya rattle-can semi-gloss for a satiny finish. home | projects | blog. No bleeding, wrinkling, curling. Only use high quality PPG or BASF automotive type clear coat paint. Requires single oven. They have a very glossy appearance, so I am thinking It is probably not going to work since sanding them may jack them up. but as popeye said you can try on a test plate a see for sure. 340 Posts . Messages 3,790. Allow the top coat to dry and you’re all done! So adding a clear coat will generally fall under these categories: Protection– You may want to protect work already finished. The decals feel really thin, almost like a Mylar. I started using the 1500 grit to remove the last 10% of the decals, and continued with it to remove the line around the border of where the decal was. If there is no clear-coat over the decals then you have several options: 1) Apply heat (hair dryer, IR lamp, propane torch) and gently scrape off. Looking at a decal under magnification you can sometimes see the clear coat over the decal sheet has a bit of built-up edge on the edge of each individual decal image. I am going to give it more time in the sun do a pull test after it is really cured. Low temperature PSA decals – used above clear coat.Do not require any heat treatment and are applied at ambient temperature. 1. [Then.,] sand the edge smooth with … CLEAR COATING OVER DECALS. Show Full Signature. Whether needed to withstand the heat of a powder clear coat after application or use on a barbeque grill, temperature is no longer an issue. Clear coat over decals. It's been a while since I worked on such a decal … I like to clear over the base coat with a couple or three clear layers. Decals on wood and under varnish? Discussion Starter • #1 • Aug 4, 2008. I have heard that with the decals, it's important not to go too heavy with the clear coat to start with. I have clear coated vinyl decals on motorcycle tanks. Put very light dry coat on decal from a foot away let that dry over night. I suspect other models probably were different. Clear coat of Tamiya rattle-can gloss. Forum topic by firefighterontheside: posted 09-08-2019 03:50 PM: 1390 views: 0 times favorited: 12 replies: firefighterontheside. My clear coating so far has had mixed results and that's before the decal stage. I'm painting my bikes next month, and I plan on putting everything under the clear. Our decals do not need to be clear coated, but the life span will be increased significantly if you choose to clear coat. if you plan on liquid graphics i would use liquid to clear and save the heartach of haveing to start over. We have not tested all clear coat type paints and we use a professional paint shop to get perfect results. I've got a motorcycle gas tank that has the decals clear coated over. Should I apply the decals over the Zero paint, then clear coat, or clear, then apply decals, then clear again? The industry standard method of putting clear over vinyl would be to lay a base coat, apply the vinyl, clear coat and let cure. Wetsand the clear, reapply clear, and wetsand again. Never had a problem with it. Apply another coat of clear gloss to the surface with a brush. ANY air bubbles will expand over time and look like shit. 4. I'm an automotive painter and I've done hundreds of projects that involved clearing over decals of some sort. Table with vinyl decals under epoxy « back to Designing Woodworking Projects forum. He said the structural integrity of the wheel doesn't change by removing a decal. Requires a little more refining before I tackle the Bruiser. High temperature PSA decals – can be used on temperature treated surfaces at temperature 150- 180°C, used under clear coat only.Easy to apply, suitable only for smaller designs. 1. If you DON'T put the decals under the clear on the tank and then spill gas on them, they will no longer stick, though. you'll want to be careful not to get too aggresive and get into the color area under the old decal area. 09-08-2019 03:50 PM . Wetsand the clear, reapply clear, and wetsand again. He said they warranty wheels without decals. We can’t put decals under powder lacquer due to the heat, for me to put a wet 2k lacquer on the frame will take 3-4 weeks and cost a further £120. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SAND THE DECAL IN ANY WAY. Once the decal is suctioned to the kit with the softener and smooth, apply another coat of clear gloss to seal everything in and prevent damage to the decal. Again flash time between mists is about 10-15 minutes. Removing decals under clear coat. Has anyone done this? Then wait a couple or days or a week and then color sand the clear to flatten any orange peel and remove dirt nubs. Advertisement. On my 1977 KZ650-C1 the tank decals are under the clear coat and the side cover and tail decals are over the clear coat. And as a plus, the stuff spreads out really well Future floor stuff a test plate a for. To be clear coated vinyl decals under epoxy « back to Designing Woodworking forum. Table with vinyl decals on motorcycle tanks: 0 times favorited: 12 replies: firefighterontheside that. The stuff spreads out really well save the heartach of haveing to start with decals feel really,... 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